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The
following are emails I wrote in response to criticisms of
my
C a r a
k a n
article on this site.
I thought it might be a useful
contribution
to our on-going forum. The respondents
wrote:
Tilly, Delft
Mas Toni, with due respect, taking into account
the first mentioned article I cannot understand
your more or less hostile remarks towards
the Dutch in the Carakan article, the more
so as the present selfish and aggressive
attitude of the (Javanese) ...
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Roy, Amsterdam
Given your assertion that the
Dutch was so
cruel in Indonesia, how do you
explain the
fact that so many political refugees
from
Indonesia seek asylum in the
Netherlands?
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M.M Medeiros, USA
What is the source of your loyalty to the
feodal system
(if I read you rightly)? Would
YOU like to
be an abdidalem?
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Dirk Vrancken, Belgium
I was reading your discussion forum and many
items are agressive written. They all contain
a lot of truth, but some phrases are not
that entirely correct and are just an escape
from the reality.
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Dirk Vrancken, Belgium
In respond to your question: "Do you
really believe that we were supposed to make
something good out of this?": Yes, I
really believe this. The Dutch conquered
Indonesia and abused its resources for many
decades. This is a fact which can not be
changed. It is a part of Indonesian history
and has to be accepted. There are 2 ways
to deal with this...
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Ed Vos, Netherlands
I don't think it is accurate to say, as the
author did, that the Balinese use the same
script as the Javanese do. I also think that
it is totally inaccurate to accuse the Dutch
of a sort of conspiracy to eliminate this
part of Balinese culture. Historically, it
is well known that the Dutch did exactly
the opposite...
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M.M Medeiros, USA
Don't let's always be so beastly to the Dutch. They
invented and produced the type for the Indonesian
languages -- beautiful typefaces, too, very sensitive to
the calligraphic opportunities. Otherwise there'd have
been no printing of these languages...
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Tilly, Delft
Weet U Mas Toni, ik heb na al het gedoe van
de feestdagen eindelijk tijd gehad om te
doen wat ik wilde doen om uw eerste uitgebreide
mail te beantwoorden. Ik hoop dat u het goed
vindt dat ik in het Nederlands schrijf, want
volgens mij beheerst u die taal uitstekend
en kunt u die althans goed lezen en begrijpen.
Ik heb de'Nyanyian Angsa' van Rendra gelezen
vorige week en die begrijp ik ook best, maar
vraag me niet om daarover te discussieren
in BI baku!...
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Tilly, Delft
Wat uw mailtje betreft:
U zegt er genoegen in te scheppen
om andere
mensen te irriteren of zelfs
te beledigen
en dat allemaal vanwege de geschiedenis
van
uw land waar u noch de lezer
van uw website
persoonlijk deel aan hebben gehad.
Ook kunt
u niet nalaten provocerende teksten
ten aanzien
van de Europeanen in het algemeen
en de Nederlanders
in het bijzonder te plaatsen.
Dat is spijtig
en het zal zeker niet het door
u gewenste
effect hebben. Een man als Pramoedya
vertelt
hoe de geschiedenis inelkaar
steekt zonder
dat te doen. Ook hij is Javaan
en werkelijk
niet de eerste de beste...
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Jono Hardjowirogo, New York
Understanding the death of the Javanese culture
is one of my pet projects that I've been
trying to put into a book for a long time.
Let me share some of my observations here.
Your assertion that the Dutch killed Javanese
culture is totally inaccurate. I personally
think that Indonesian nationalism as well
as the underlying Anti Javanese sentiment
killed the Javanese culture. Historically,
...
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Jono Hardjowirogo, New York
Granted, colonialism did alter the history
of the world not only in Java
and Indonesia.
Javanese culture is of course
not dead and
thanks to hardy soul like yourself,
we may
yet see a resurgence of this
great culture...
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Peter van Kan, Netherlands
I wonder, mas Toni, if you ever asked yourself
where the original Javanese religion; Kedjawen,
culture, language and writing has gone to?
With all respect to you and your material
on these matters, I must correct you as a
Javanese on these very delicate matters...
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Resi Tunggorono, Australia
I'd like to express a word of
appreciation to Surya Sasangka for his moving and passionate
call for renewal in the Surakarta palace under its new ruler...
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Dr.
Budiono Santoso, Manila
Visi abad 21 ingkang penjenengan
ngendikakaken sanget pun betahaken kangge mratelakaken dhateng
tiyang kathah tumraping sumbangsih Kraton Surakarta...
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